You may wonder why God allows trials, but remember that He is present with you in the midst of the storm. Instead of holding onto your own will too tightly, trust that He loves you and wants what is best. Invite those around you to sit and sup with Jesus, finding rest in His forgiveness and presence.
Welcome to the Real Church podcast. Our mission is for you to know the love of Jesus and live out your God given purpose. Now join us and listen in to the latest message from pastor David John Phillips.
Well, good morning, Real Church. Thank you, brother. It's an absolute honor to be here, to get to to preach the gospel. I love what I do. I love getting to be the pastor here at Real Church because you're an amazing church.
You just are. And so, my name is David John Phillips. My wife and I got to plant this church. We moved here about 3 years ago, and we planted the church back 2 years ago by the grace and mercy of God. And, because of because of God's faithfulness and God's goodness, we're here today.
And our prayer is that every single 1 of you walks away from today encouraged and with a deeper understanding of how much God loves you. Amen? So we have been in a series called asking for a Friend. How many of you guys were here the first time we did this series about a year and a half ago? A few people?
Yeah? So, as Daniel said, Asking for a Friend, you guys really get to pick the message, that's why I love this series. On the prayer card, if you you pick that up, the prayer card, if you have any questions about God, religion, your relationship with Jesus, about the Bible, about just something you've never really asked or have asked multiple times and never really found an answer to, You can ask anything anonymously, you can put your name on it if you want, but you can ask it anonymously. For those of you that are watching online, in the description, you'll see a link for asking for a friend. Friend.
There's an anonymous survey there. Would you guys just welcome everybody watching online as well? It's 1 of the things in having a location and being able to do live services again. I wanted to do live on line as well because there's a lot of people that have connected that can't necessarily come yet, or have connected from out of town. So just to serve people well, we wanted to be able to continue to do that.
So, in the Asking for a Friend series, this is part 2. I am excited because not next Sunday, but the Sunday after, for a few Sundays. Has anybody got to see the encouraging word on Facebook? Yeah? If you don't know, we do an encouraging word live on Facebook every night at 07:00, and we've done so every night since COVID started, just to kinda have some kind of level of consistency, some kind of level of encouragement for you.
And also, it was an opportunity to to begin to raise up some other speakers. Man, I couldn't wait until I found some people who God had had trained and implanted and given gifts and talents and abilities inside of them, because part of our mission as real church is to engage the culture with the love of Jesus, equip the believer to engage the culture with the love of Jesus. But then number 3, empower the ready to to live out their God given purpose. And so, coming up, we're going to have Daniel Mannix, who's been doing the encouraging word faithfully. We're going to have Gabe Mullins and his wife, Mo Mullins or Mariah Mullins as well.
Mariah is with the baby, isn't she? She's changing the baby. But they're going to be preaching as a part of this series, so I'm excited about it. And then, last but not least, last week, for the Asking for a Friend series, we answered some questions. Number 1, we answered, Why does God love us?
Why does God love us? You guys remember the answer, Why does God love us? Anybody? Because **God is love**. Right?
He loves us because what he does flows from who he is. Right? What you do flows from who you are. The more you understand who Christ says that you are, the more you'll walk out who he says that you are in your daily life. Amen?
But then we answered, what is atonement? I'm not going to ask you to answer that 1 like that. We answered, what is atonement? Which is basically the question, how does God love us? And then we answered the question, what does atonement mean for us after salvation?
Which is a continuation of how he loves us. And if 1 of the 1 of the things we talked about was a guilty conscience. If you struggle, which we all struggle from time to time with a guilty conscience, and what that looks like in your daily life, you struggle with that, and you need to know what the blood means for your guilty conscience now, go back and listen to the message from last week. I promise it will encourage you, it will help you, it will strengthen you, and it will help you to know that you are forgiven, you are loved, and you're in right standing with God right now, not because of you, but because of Jesus. Amen?
Okay. Cool. So now, we're going to get into part 2 of the asking for a friend series. Now, these questions are sometimes they're hard questions, sometimes they're hard hitting questions, sometimes they're things that a lot of people believe, but may not necessarily go in line with scripture. So I'm gonna ask you to do something today.
I'm gonna ask you to be "Berean". I'm gonna ask you to be Berean. What I mean is, Paul went through this city called Berea, and he said they were more noble than the Thessalonians. The reason he said that was because they searched the *scriptures* diligently to make sure what Paul was saying is true. What I'm telling you today, what I'm preaching on, may go against what you've always thought.
If you've been at real church, you might get used to that. We just preach Jesus. We preach scripture. And sometimes, it goes against what the religious have always thought. And we've all got some religious in us from time to time.
Yeah? Alright. So it may go against what you've always thought, what you've always believed, or maybe even subconsciously believed and ended up blaming God because you believed it. So we're gonna go through some scripture today to answer this question, and let let Jesus speak to us, and I promise it's going to help, it's going to encourage. Amen?
So let's just pray once again. As we pray, if you could pray for me, pray for yourself to to to hear the word of the Lord, but pray for me that all my opinions, of that would get out of the way, and it would just be Jesus speaking. Amen? Transparency. Like, so when you guys when you guys walk away, don't say anything other than, wow, Jesus.
Nothing about pastor no, wow, Jesus. Amen? Lord God, thank you for who you are, Lord, and and you're just wonderful. Lord, I thank you for this question that was asked. Lord, and I I just I pray that it's you speaking today.
Lord, that that that it's the words that are said are so anointed. Lord God, that it just like yours, the the sword of truth, it cuts, Lord God, divides, separates what's from us and what's from you, what's from the spirit, what's from the flesh, soul, Lord God, and then transform so we can line up what we've always thought with what you say. Lord, I thank you for that. In Jesus' name. Amen.
Okay. So the question was, and the question is, if we could put up the first question, why does God put some people through trial after trial after trial after trial after trial after trial. When I'm thinking about this question, and maybe the person that wrote this question, and to be honest, I've probably asked God this before in my own life. Maybe the person was thinking about themselves, and they put some people maybe the person said, why does why do I go through trial after trial after trial? I've heard that in counseling many people before.
Right? Why does God seem to put me through trial after trial, after tough time, after this, after that? Or maybe the person was thinking about some loved ones, friends, family, you know, neighbors just looking on the outside. Why is why are they going through all of that stuff? I don't get it.
God, why would you do that? The way that this question was asked exposes a deep belief. The deep belief is all trials that come in my life, God is behind them. Right? That's what's coming across.
So why is he putting me through trial after trial? And that's the way that a lot of people think. And really, so we're dealing with something that a lot of church people talk about called the sovereignty of God. Right? Now, the word sovereign means all powerful, all authority.
**God is sovereign**. I will never question the sovereignty of God. He is absolutely sovereign, he is all powerful, and he has all authority. There is no question to that, period. However, the problem comes when you take that and you put it into a group of church people or quote unquote theologians, and many assumptions are are made about that, that it's very dangerous and hinders people from walking with God.
So people begin to say, okay. So God is all powerful. God is all knowing, and God is everywhere. And that's true. Absolutely.
The Bible is clear. God is all powerful, God is all knowing, God is everywhere. 100%. But then the assumptions begin to come after that. They say, well, because of that, God causes everything that happens in the world.
So whatever happens in my life must have been God's will. Because whatever God's will is has to happen. Right? So all these trials I'm going through must have been God's will. So then, God, why are you putting me through trial after trial after trial?
Follow me? In this line of thinking, this God causes everything type of thinking, that, a lot of times, causes people when they see death due to drugs, when they see death due to war, when they see death due to sin, due to junk that's going on in the world, when they see the holocaust, it causes people to say, well, "God works in mysterious ways". Right? Say, well, God took another 1 when people die prematurely. You know people can die prematurely before their time according to scripture?
Well, God took another 1. Well, we just have to we just have to keep moving on. And it's dangerous because of a lot of times, we're blaming the *evil* world on God. And because of that, now you have a lot of people that run from God saying, how could I follow him? And then they become atheists because really they're offended at God as a kid because their dad died when they were young, or whatever else could have happened.
Or they become agnostic saying, well, there is a God somewhere out there. He's something, but I just don't want to deal with him in my life because of what he's done to me. So I'm just going to go about my own way knowing that there's some higher power somewhere out there. Or they do some all kinds of theological back bends and and twists and turns in order to explain away, all the while perverting the truth of the *gospel* and making it very unclear. Listen to this truth and ponder it for a moment.
Everything that God wants to happen doesn't happen. It would be amazing if it did, but it doesn't. In the science of logic, if you say a general rule, you give 1 "counterexample" to that general rule, and the general rule is disproven. For example, somebody says, or it's written, All swans are white. That would say a general rule that somebody wrote, they believe because of what they've seen or observed, all swans are white.
But if I were to show 1 black swan, then that is a counterexample that disproves that. Right? Make sense? Another with a counter example, would be, somebody were to say, all Americans are lazy. Now, that's what somebody maybe because they what they believe because of what they said, whatever.
But I can I can show you Greg? There he is. Greg's not lazy. He's an American. It's a counter example.
Right there. As a matter of fact, Tom, Tom's not lazy. Mike Mike, you guys, you're not lazy, you're Americans. Right? Counterexample.
So most of you are Americans. I have some I I have my my Congolese brother in here as well. Olivier, God bless you, man. But a counterexample showing that the general rule is not true. So therefore, the statement, whatever happens is God's will.
Let's use logic in the Bible to show that that is not the case. And I'll make another statement. What God's what God wills listen. What God wills doesn't always happen. And if we show that, then we know that everything that does happen isn't necessarily God's will.
And we also know that God doesn't cause every trial that you go through. Yeah? Watch this. *2 Peter-3:9* says, the Lord is not slow in keeping his promise as some understand slowness. Instead, he is patient with Everybody makes a typo.
No big deal. Instead, is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Another version says, not willing that anyone would perish, but everyone would come to repentance. What's God's will? God's will is that everyone comes to repentance.
Yeah? Okay. So God's will is everyone is everyone is God's will happening? No. Everyone is not coming to repentance.
As a as a matter of fact, some people choose to do their own will instead of God's will. And because of that, God's will doesn't happen in this instance. And when they choose not to do God's will, they end up separated from God, not because of his will, but because of their will. So God's will doesn't happen, and they end up in hell against his will. Amen?
Okay. 1 example there's 1 example. But with the Bible, if you just give 1 example or 1 verse, even if the verse is in context, and it's not shown in other places of scripture, then it might be you misunderstand that area. So a lot of times in the Bible, you want to show at least 2 different areas, making sure that the verses are in context and stuff, to show a point. Then, if that point shows that in context, and it goes against your thinking, then we have to change our thinking to line up with what his word says.
Yeah? You agree with me? Okay. Okay. Good.
Well, let's go to Matthew-23:37. *Jesus* is speaking. Now remember, Jesus, according to John-1:1 and 2, in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God. Was God. The word is God.
Right? John-1:14, the word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus, the word became flesh and dwelt among Jesus is the word was God. Jesus is the word. Jesus is God.
Amen? Alright. *Matthew-23:37*, *Jesus* is speaking. He says, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often how I often have longed to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not. Jesus and really, he's kind of speaking out of time here because he was before the creation of the world, and he was part of what led the Israelites all throughout the Old Testament.
Jesus or God in the flesh, he wanted to gather the Israelites together. He wanted to protect them. He wanted to save them. He wanted to to mother them as a hen mothers her children or her chicks. And Israel was not willing, so did it happen?
Okay. Good. 2 counterexamples. So now we must go back to the question, why does God put me through trial after trial? He doesn't.
Do we go through trial after trial in this life? Absolutely, we do. Over and over and over and over, but every trial is not God's doing. And I wanna show you, **"beyond a shadow of a doubt"**, how to, beyond a shadow of a doubt, see which trials are not from God. *John-10:10* says, the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy.
But I have come, it's Jesus, I have come that you may have life and life more abundantly. Amen? Who is the thief here? The thief is anyone that is not in line with the will of God. Anyone or anything that is leading some way someone away from God.
Ultimately, it's Satan, but Satan uses people. Yeah? So sometimes it's a leader. Sometimes it's an individual. Sometimes it's a thing.
But the thief, if it's not leading you to Jesus, it's leading you away from him. Jesus came that you may have "life and life more abundantly". His will for you is to progress you forward towards life and life more abundantly. Right? But the thief's will for you is is that to steal and to kill and destroy what God wants to do in and through your life.
Amen? Okay. *James-1:13* says, when tempted, no 1 should say, **God is tempting me*. For God cannot be tempted by evil*, nor does he tempt anyone. Stop right there.
Pastor, pastor David, what does this have to do with trials? The word here in *James-1:13* for tempted is the same word for test, and it's the same word for try, to try. Okay? So when tried, no 1 should say, God is trying me, for God cannot be tried by evil, nor does he try anyone with evil. So if there's evil in any aspect of the trial that you're going through, then it did not originate from God.
Do you understand? Okay. Let's think of Jonah. And as a matter of fact, sometimes the the the trials that we go through, if you keep reading John-1:13 and 1 14, I don't know if I put John-1:14 up there, but it says it says, each person is tempted or tried when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. So sometimes the trials that we go through in our life are because of our own sin, our own mistakes, our own wrongdoing.
And sometimes the trials that we go through in our life, a lot of them are because of other people's sin, other people's mistakes, other people's not following God's will, and and their disobedience affects our life. Like Jonah, for instance. Jonah God called Jonah. He told him to go to Nineveh. He said, hey Jonah, I want you to go to Nineveh, and I want you to preach, and I want you to tell them about the upcoming judgment that's coming on Nineveh.
Jonah said, God, if I go do that, they're gonna repent. And if they repent, then you're not gonna do what I told them you're gonna do, and I'm gonna look foolish. Basically, what he was saying. So he said, because of that, you know what? I'm not doing your will.
I'm gonna go the other way. And he got in a boat, and he went the exact opposite direction. Now, what happened? In the boat, a storm came because of Jonah's disobedience. The storm did not just affect Jonah.
As a matter of fact, there were other sailors in the boat. You know what? The other sailors had to throw all their cargo out of the boat into the water. They lost all their cargo because of Jonah. As a matter of fact, the other sailors feared for their lives because of Jonah.
Ain't that interesting? Jonah's disobey a lot of people think, well, my mistakes just affect me. No. They don't. A lot of times, they affect many different people.
There's good news. Good news coming. Stay with me. Don't get all down on yourself. So what do we do when other people's sin affects us?
Don't blame God. Don't blame God for what someone else did. There's a lot of people in here right now, I know, because I've done a lot of counseling. I'm not talking about individuals with you, but just in a size of this room, with this many people or the people watching online, there's a lot of people that are blaming God for other people's mistakes. And because you're blaming God for what other people did to you, you've put a wall up, you have an offense offense that's separating you and God that God didn't put there, but you did, You need you need to forgive.
Like, when when other people sin against you, it's an opportunity to give those people the same grace that God gave you, the same mercy that God gave you, the same forgiveness that God gave you. God forgave you despite of you. He loves you. He loves you even in the midst of your mess and in your junk, and when you see how loved by God you are and how forgiven you are, you can let it overflow and forgive. There's no limit to that.
So it doesn't matter. I mean, what they did was probably terrible and was probably bad, and and but God gave them a choice to love or to choose not to. They chose not to, and their choosing not to affected you. Now you have the opportunity to love them despite of their sin and let God's love through you, impact them, and change them from the inside out. You have an opportunity.
Amen. Yeah. I I like it. I like it when when when you guys agree. That's awesome.
It encourages me. But, anyway, I like it when or you have the opportunity when his *grace* you let his grace affect your heart so much, you let it overflow, and it begins to affect their heart, so you become a conduit of his grace and mercy. Amen? Let's practice that because I like it. Amen?
Yeah. It just encourages me. I've gotten to preach in a black church before, and it was awesome. It was awesome. It was like momentum.
It was like, you you get going, they're like, Yeah! And I'm like, Yeah! Praise the Lord! Anyway, yeah, I love it. Come on.
Alright. I done got off my notes. Alright. Another example is God gave Adam dominion, rule over the world. Right?
God gave Adam dominion over creation. Adam then chose *sin*. Whatever you obey, you become a slave to. Adam gave dominion to the power of sin. Because of that, God's perfect creation was tainted.
So now you've got bumblebees that sting us, you've got ants that bite us, now you've got tornadoes and hurricanes, and all this crazy stuff that tainted God's beautiful and amazing perfect creation. So when we go through that, we go through all those trials, we can know that we're affected because of someone else's sin that affected us and is affecting us here today. Even so, we can praise him in the midst of the storm, and we can know the Bible says in Romans-8:28 can you pull up Romans-8:28? We know that for those who love God, all things, everybody say all things. Not some things.
Right? Not just the things that I like. Yeah. All Come on. Not just not just the things that that I'm going through that, hey, you know what?
This is gonna work out for me because I think it's gonna work out for me. No. All things. Everything. Right?
All things. Even the tough things, even the things that even the storms of life, even the seeming failures, even the things that I cause because of my own sin. All things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Let me give you a story or an example to try to pull that out. When I was going through school, kind of nerded out.
I took a class on the comparison of C. S. Lewis and J. R. R.
Tolkien. I don't know if you know C. S. Lewis. What did C.
S. Lewis write? Chronicles of Narnia. He wrote a lot of stuff. He was a fiction writer, but also a theologian.
Amazing. And then J. R. R. Tolkien wrote?
Lord of the Rings. He wrote a bunch of stuff. In that class, I learned that for the Lord of the Rings How many of you guys have seen Lord of the Rings? Okay. A lot of you.
Also, there was a book called The Simarillion. Let's just nerd out for a little bit. A book called The Simarillion. In The Simarillion, it detailed how he created all of those amazing worlds of Middle Earth and all of that. Now, the way that he did that, there was an all knowing, all powerful, good creator.
JR Tolkien, by the way, was led to Jesus by CS Lewis. So there there was an amazing, all powerful, wonderful creator who created, and the way he created was by song. He created by music. K? And and everything that he created, he gave it part of his image to be able to create as well.
So everything that he created, every time that he created, there was more music playing, more creation. It was beautiful, it was perfect, it was wonderful. And the worlds, and middle earth, and all this stuff was being created by this creator creating. It's a lot of creating words. Right?
So it was awesome. Imagine the most beautiful symphony orchestra you could ever hear in your lifetime. And in all of this, there was 1 person or 1 thing that he created that created a note of discord. You ever hear music and there's a wrong note that pops off, everybody looks? Oh my gosh.
A note of discord. It seemed to mess up the entire creation. It seemed to mess up the entire symphony orchestra. All eyes were on that. But the creator, in his all power and all knowingness, what did he do?
He took that note of discord, and he weaved it through the symphony orchestra in such a way that later, when you look back, it looks as if it was meant to be there, and on the other side, the beautifulness of creation, the symphony orchestra, sounded even better because it was played. Yeah? Let's read that verse again, all things. And we know that for those who love God, all things work together for good for those who are called according to his purpose. Okay.
In the same way, the evil that happens to you, the trials that that come in your life, God doesn't cause them. God doesn't cause God doesn't force evil. He's not planning and saying, man, I can't wait to cause sickness and cancer to come to this 1 because it's gonna cause them to be revived by fire. No. The enemy tries to take you out.
Quit blaming God for what he didn't do. But you can praise him in the midst of it because you know God's gonna take what the enemy meant to take take take you out, and he's gonna cause it to work for good. He's gonna develop you. He's gonna develop character, and you're gonna look back. And this is why I think a lot of the bad theology has happened, because we look back and we see that we're better because of it, and we think God must have did it.
No. He just used it for your good. So because of that, James-1:2-3, it says, consider it pure joy. Another version says, "count it all joy". Everybody say, count it all joy.
Count it all All. Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. And let perseverance finish its work, so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. So the note of discord, Satan causing Adam and Eve to sin, and now sin in the world, now there's evil, now there's stuff. God's working it out for good because he's refining us by the evil that comes against us, and we can consider it pure joy.
And now when evil comes against us, it's an opportunity to stand on the rock, and for those that are not following him, to see someone following him "standing on the rock" despite the trial, seeing peace and joy flow out of us because of his grace and mercy, and impacting their lives because they're saying, wow, what's going on? Why do you have peace? Why are you not in despair? And we can say, because it's Jesus. Because I'm counting it all joy.
Because I'm encouraged. Because I'm walking with him. And whenever you're down, and you have your eyes too much on yourself, get around somebody that has their eyes on Jesus and be lifted up by them. Amen? It's the importance of the body of Christ.
It's vital. It's necessary. It's important. So then, the question remains, does God test us? Does God give us trials?
Yes, but not with evil. *Hebrews-11:17*. There may be more verses in the New Testament, but this is the only 1 I could find in the New Testament. Go look for yourself. It says, **God tested Abraham** by asking him to give him Isaac.
Now, it is an Old Testament example, but it is in the New Testament. God tested Abraham by asking him to give him Isaac. So in the same way, God tests us by asking us to give him what we hold on to too tightly. What we put before him or have the potential of putting before God, God will test us by saying, hey, would you give me that? Would you give me that?
Why? Because if we're holding onto it too tightly, we're we're we're if we're putting something before him, then we're experiencing the results of our will and not his will. So that thing we're holding on to tightly will cause evil in our life because it will be our will and not his will, and it will end up hurting us more than helping us. So it might seem like he's stealing and killing and destroying when he asks us to give us give him something, but we have to trust that he is all knowing and good. And if he asks us to give it to him, then it's better for us to give to him.
We just have to "trust him" in the moment. Because if he's really good, and he is really our creator, and he's really all powerful, and all knowing, and he really loves us, which he does and is all those things, then he knows that the thing that we're holding onto is not good for us. And it's his grace that is causing him to say his undeserved favor, his mercy that's causing him to say, hey, you need to "give me that thing". No. But God, she she she's not your wife.
You need to stop living with her and give her give it to me and marry the girl. But God, everybody, trust me. I love you. It's gonna be better for you. Yeah?
Fill in the blank. He loves you, and he wants what's best for you. Amen? Not only that, he knows that the *enemy* is going to come against you constantly. And therefore, he's always with you in the midst of the enemy coming against you, in the midst of people railing against you, attacking you, running away from you, betraying you.
He's there because he loves you. And as a matter of fact, in Psalms-23, the 20 third Psalm, he says, he prepares a table for us in the *presence* of our enemies. Yeah? He prepare so what he's saying is, I know they're coming against you. I know it's hard.
I know it's tough, but I'm with you, and I wanna show my glory through you. But to do that, you need to sit here in the midst of all this and sup with me. You need to enjoy my presence. Know that I love you, that I'm nourishing you, and you can actually live from rest even in the midst of the trial because of me. Yeah.
Like, I imagine the storm. Right? Jesus is sleeping in the boat. The disciples think they're about to die. If they would have only realized who was with them, their eyes wouldn't have been on the storm.
They might have been reclining and sleeping with Jesus. Or maybe, just maybe, maybe Jesus would have prepared a table before them in the midst of the storm. You know what he would have he probably would have prepared? Some bread and some wine. It probably would have been and that's what he does for you.
That's what he's inviting you to in the midst of the storm. Right? Communion. Communion. Communion with him in the midst of the enemies coming against you.
Sickness, pestilence comes to attack your body, attack your family, attack he's saying, hey, let's sit. Let's sup together. This is my body broken for you, and it was broken for your healing. You know what? Why don't you enjoy my presence and know that 2000 years ago, I paid the price for you to be completely whole?
Why don't you why don't you just rest and take this and trust and know that I'm there? Oh, 0, you know what? You just I I see that you just sinned, but I'm not counting that against you. I paid for that sin 2000 years ago. Why don't you sit at my feet and let's drink this together?
Hey, this is my blood. I shed in remembrance for you. So that you can remember that you are already forgiven, and that you're loved, and even the midst of your failure, you can still enter into my presence because you're in right standing with me because of me, and I love you, son. I knew you were gonna do that even before you did it, and as a matter of fact, I shed my blood for you despite you doing that. So why don't you come into my presence and know that I'm here, and let's "sit and sup together", even when the consequences of your sin are knocking at the door, and it looks like it's going to be terrible?
No. No. I'm here, and I restore, I reconcile, and I redeem. And I'm gonna restore, I'm gonna reconcile, and I'm gonna redeem. Though the sorrow may last for a night, joy comes in the morning.
Sit in my presence. Be with me. I'm with you. Never forget that. And if you have people in your life that are not doing that, and they know Jesus, grab their hand and invite them to sit and sup with Jesus with you.
Take them back to the cross. Amen?
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